For A Better BUTL

JMB Sri Jasmin & BUTL

2008-12-23T09:41:00.013+08:00

Sri Jasmin had their First Meeting of the JMB on the 30th of November 2008 after nearly 4 months of hardwork from the Pro Tem Committee of Sri Jasmin and some of the members of the BUTL Resident Association.

The Meeting was a success & 8 office bearers were elected in that First Meeting. Now, Sri Jasmin is looking for all the lost purchasers of Sri Jasmin. i.e. Those who have changed contact no., jobs & addresses. Sri Jasmin is currently doing some face lifts for their webblog that has also seen them changed name from ptc to jmb. Hence, their webblog is now http://srijasminjmb.blogspot.com where you can even view who the office bearers are along with the positions they hold as well as the JMB Certificate issued by MPN.

While Sri Palma Villa 1, 2, 3 & 6 and Sri Jasmin have their own JMB, these 2 development area will need all the rest of the 13 development areas to have a JMB and to live, breathe & speak with 1 voice. That is the only way we (the purchasers of BUTL) can have our investment salvaged. Good management & marketing will be the savior because the bank loan will not increase, but rental can if there is demand. So to generate the demand, we need all the 15 development areas to have a JMB each & work together!

Now is the time that we all unite for the future of BUTL. The Sri Jasmin story will reverberate across BUTL. Now is time that the whole of BUTL, 15 development areas strong, to participate and have a JMB each - that's 2 down, 13 more to go. Any of you who are willing to be office bearers for the following Development Areas, please signal your intention by sending an email to the For A Better Butl Team (forabetterbutl@gmail.com).

SPV 1, 2, 3 & 6 - done & dusted, Chairman: Mr. Azman (No Strata Application Yet)
Sri Jasmin - done & dusted, Chairman: Mr. Kelvin Koh (No Strata Application Yet)
Sri Permata (Palas) - Strata File No. PTG.NS.13/88/3/6/168
Sri Kemilau (Keruing) - Strata File No. PTG.NS.13/88/3/6/172
Sri Intan (Inai) - Strata File No. PTG.NS.13/88/3/6/166
Sri Suria (Sena) - Strata File No. PTG.NS.13/88/3/6/165
Sri Cendana - Strata File No. PTG.NS.13/88/3/6/164
Permai (Pulai) Ria - Strata File No. PTG.NS.13/88/3/6/171
Aman (Ara) Ria - Strata File No. PTG.NS.13/88/3/6/169
Damai Ria - No Strata Application Yet
Indah Ria - No Strata Application Yet
Sri Gemilang (Gelam) - Strata File No. PTG.NS.13/88/3/6/167
Sri Mentari - Strata File No. PTG.NS.13/88/3/6/163
SPV 5 - Strata File No. PTG.NS.13/88/3/6/223
Sri Dedap - Strata File No. PTG.NS.13/88/3/6/170

Now you are probably wondering, why some has a bracket to the names like Sri Suria (Sena) while Sri Cendana is without bracket? The answer will required the dedicated person who would become office bearers of that development area to find out. What the For A Better BUTL team has done is a land search & what was stated in some of the Sale & Purchase Agreements says Sri Suria but the strata application states Sri Sena. Lot's of work to do? Plenty more when you start going. So please gather yourselves & start emailing us your "CV".

Time & Tide waits for no man..
ACT NOW !
For A Better BUTL Team.

JMB For Sri Jasmin on 30 Nov 2008

2008-11-13T20:15:00.001+08:00

For More Information on the JMB for Sri Jasmin, go to their website.
Sri Jasmin

JMB For Sri Jasmin Soon

2008-11-08T17:33:00.006+08:00

Some of you may not know this, COB (i.e. under MPN currently) for BUTL has appointed someone from the Resident Association of BUTL to convene the First Meeting of the JMB (Joint Management Body) for Sri Jasmin. You can read the letter at Sri Jasmin On JMB.

Some very important information that you all must know & remember is that unless and until an MC (Management Corporation) is formed, all of BUTL's individual developement areas (totaling 15) will have to form a JMB. Right now, some development areas have already applied the strata title & already approved but the developer has yet to subdivide them to the individual owners. For MC to be formed, you must have, within a development area, at least one-quarter (1/4) of the purchasers to have acquired the strata title.

Some people are saying that for the subdivision to occur, there are cost involved. Listen up ladies & gentlemen, read your SPA (sale & purchase agreement) and if the SPA states that your purchase of the apartment includes the strata title application then there is hardly any cost involved! But we have a dilemma. Our developer is under receivership & the receivers and managers kept saying they are only reponsible for the platinum damansara project. This issue is still being pursued by our team and in the mean time, JMB is the way to go.

If the JMB for Sri Jasmin is a success, then you bet the JMB for all the other 13 development areas will have a JMB as well. So all you people out there. Don't just sit there doing nothing, start reading up the Act 663 and start thinking how you can rescue your apartments. Without JMB, there is no way water can be paid. And soon water will be cut for the defaulters. More on water issues, read one of the existing JMB's discussion with JBA (Jabatan Bekalan Air) - Sri Palma Villa Block 1, 2, 3 & 6 On JBA.

Let this be the post for all questions and answers for JMB issues.

Thank you,
For A Better BUTL Team.

17 August 2007 Sri Jasmin Meeting

2008-08-13T09:55:00.002+08:00

This will be a short post. There is a meeting at Multi-purpose Hall of Sri Jasmin this coming Sunday, 17 August 2007. This meeting is for all owners of Sri Jasmin. So don't just sit on the letter. Please inform the sender of your intentions, whether you are coming or not.

Your actions speaks of your character.

Neither Here Nor There

2008-07-30T15:43:00.013+08:00

The last thing we want is to be in a cowboy town where neither bordering factions like to implement the law. Let's ponder these facts

We are not under the sole & absolute discretion of Dataran Mantin because they are under receivership.
The receivers & managers appointed said they are only responsible for the Platinum Damansara Project.
All except Sri Palma Villa Blocl 1, 2, 3 & 6 are left without management because the JMB was not formed.
Dataran Mantin has written to all that they are pulling out of the management of the place due to a lack of funds (or misappropriating, which ever you choose to believe..)
MPN is not going to take over the management of the place.
Neither is PwC, as they even place a sticker on DM's envelope stating that they are only the receivers & managers appointed for the Platinum Damansara Project (how convenient).

So while we are waiting for the JMB First Meeting, that is where we are currently at:

Borderless Zone

The last meeting with MPN was 22 Jul 2008 but until now, we are still waiting for DM's next move. That move is to provide a second round of JMB First Meeting which will start with 4 sites first. It should happen in the 2nd week of August but we are still waiting for their reply.

Now just because the 2nd Round of the JMB First Meeting is coming soon does not mean that the JMB will be formed! Yes, that is correct, correct, correct. Some had 3 rounds of the JMB First Meeting but the JMB still failed to form. So you can imagine how things are like in a borderless zone. Even if the 4 JMBs are formed next month, what about the rest of the 9 or so?

But in the mean time, we can't just sit there & wait for worse things to happen to BUTL. So to give the group a bit more bite, we are setting up a Residence Association (RA). That's right, we are taking up the fight with authority & with gusto. And you can be sure that you can have your say when this association is open for membership once it is registered.

The few things on top of the list to tackle are

Water - we need to sort out & make sure that all the sites have water.
Common Area lighting - right now, once the moonlight takes over, it's free for all, so if you are there at night, better be in a group, so we need to sort out the electricity issue.
Security - how ever we say that security in Malaysia is just a wave of a hand, we still need it. Without this, it is quite pointless to install flourescent lamp all over the common areas again.

So ladies & gentlemen, we know most of you don't want the property. Most of you are already fed up with this DM and all the briefings. But MOST of you are just waiting for a miracle to happen. So now is the time to rise up and be a select few. Be a representative for your site.

We are still open for registration. Those who have registered will be the first invited to be members of this RA. While that is on-going, we hope that every site will have some representatives. Write to us, forabetterbutl@gmail.com because whether you like it or not, we are in the same boat.

For A Better BUTL !

Documents to Authorities

2008-07-17T15:11:00.005+08:00

Here are 2 documents that you should download, analyse & then contemplate if you want to join the cause. We cannot have 1 JMB or 1 MC but we will have at least 14 of such bodies. But the good news would be that all 14 can join forces & therefore reducing the cost of operation.

parcelstatus03.pdf - this is the latest list, previous post had some errors.
ltr2ptg4stitle0839.pdf - this letter still pending investigation results from the authorities.

Do remember, however, for MC to form, you need at least one-quarter of the purchasers of that development area to have the strata title to their names. Problem now is, not many people understand the meaning of unity & all its repercussions otherwise. Rest assured, to get the parcel under your name in the strata title, DM will surely ask you to pay up all the outstanding fees. Another problem is that some of the DM staffs don't even know strata title has been applied & approved & still intends to form the JMBs, sigh..

Amazing Strata Revelation (updated)

2008-07-04T19:05:00.013+08:00

[4 July 2008]
Pejabat Tanah & Galian, 4th Floor, Wisma Negeri, Seremban

*Startled* *Awed* *Permanent Elongated Jaws*

No, it's not that we cannot form a single JMB for the 5-storey walk-ups.

No, it's not that Dataran Mantin is again up to their usual tricks of not wanting to be responsible anymore for BUTL.

No, it's the revelation that 11 out of 15 development area of BUTL of our interest already have a strata title!

So let's just show you what got our jaws elongated & fixated.

Plot	Parcel Name in SPA	Parcel Name in Strata Application
13786	Sri Permata	Sri Palas
13788	Sri Kemilau	Sri Keruing
13794	Sri Intan	Sri Ruai
13797	Sri Suria	Sri Sena
13793	Sri Cendana	Same – Sri Cendana
13800	Permai Ria	Pulai Ria
13802	Aman Ria	Ara Ria
13803	Damai Ria	No application yet
13806	Indah Ria	No application yet
13809	Sri Gemilang	Sri Gelam
13810	Sri Mentari	Same – Sri Mentari
13791	Sri Dedap	Same – Sri Dedap
1935	*Sri Jasmin	No application yet
23551	*SPV Block 5	Same – SPV Block 5
28665	SPV Block 1, 2, 3 & 6	No application yet

* Sri Jasmin & SPV Block 5 is sitting on a Free Hold Land
The rest are 99 year lease hold starting from 1999/2000.

No need to describe what questions we asked them. Let's just get to the point, what's next.
0. Do a land search & get the exact data & it will be published here.
1. Firstly, we will give PTG (Pejabat Tanah & Galian) a letter asking them why has the developer has yet to submit strata title application for the 4 mentioned above, where it should be done in no more than 6 months after VP (Vacant Possession).
2. We will seek answers from (PwC) Pricewaterhouse Coopers Malaysia since DM (Dataran Mantin) has sort of washed their hands off this project.
3. Quickly call for sub-division to all owners of their individual parcels for those having strata title - i.e. initial a Memorandum of Transfer (for owners who wants to pay for it).
4. Quickly call for creation of a MC (Management Committee) for all those where 1/4 of the strata title has been Transfered.
5. Continue pursuit of JMB creation for the 3 without strata title & without JMB. Those development area that has a strata title but have not got 1/4 transfered will need a JMB first.

In the mean time, form a Resident Association - this will be the party that will act on various problems such as water !

Lot's of work & lot's of headaches. All those who are owners of parcels with strata title, we need your participation to become part of the MC. You cannot be quiet now. Please register with us forabetterbutl@gmail.com & we will call for a meeting for you all to nominate & vote. PwC must be involved ! As for DM, what goes around, comes around.

We will call for JMB meeting (Part 2)

2008-04-29T19:59:00.010+08:00

[12 Jun 2008]
Another excellent discussion & so the hard work will begin in earnest!
1. MPN has agreed to the followings
a. There are a few development units which are clear cut & not overlapping. Thus, these can have the JMB first meeting. Those that are overlapping, the ForABetterButl team will need to speak to Pejabat Tanah & Galian (PTG).

2. MPN will issue a letter to DM to make sure that they organise the meeting properly. And to make sure that DM does call up everyone, DM will have to submit the name list to MPN & all their letters & stamped envelopes for MPN to do the verification & posting.

So yes, this is a very fruitful meeting indeed !

[15 May 2008]
It was a good discussion today. The gist of it is that
1. MPN are willing to organise the meeting.

2. MPN will be trying to get the ministry's approval on the followings
a. Allow ALL purchasers (whether or not maintenance & other charges fully paid) to vote - this is due to DM accounts not audited so you cannot tell who has paid & who has not paid.
b. JMB to be formed without the developer - this is because DM is under receivership & we cannot tell how long before it sinks to be bottom of the abyss.
c. To have all account's slate to be wiped clean when the JMB starts so that whatever liability that DM carries should not be carried by the JMB.

3. So the meeting will be organised, but MPN does not know how many development units (the PTs, i.e. PT1234, inside your Sales & Purchase Agreement & also the Certificate of Fitness). So the Pro Tem Committee for BUTL has taken upon this task to get the list of development units. There after, each development unit will have the JMB First Meeting (yes, again!!!).

[9 May 2008]
After some postponement on MPN side, the Pro Tem Committee is meeting up with MPN for a second round of discussion next week. Incidentally, since the same Pro Tem Committee is organising the Lawsuit Briefing, this is also the time to update everyone on the JMB progress.

[29 Apr 2008]
The Pro Tem Committee has another meeting with MPN scheduled next week. So let's see how that goes, in the mean time, please register yourself here.

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The For A Better BUTL Team will try to sort out as much as possible before the next briefing.

For more info regarding this briefing, please visit
http://lagendafraud.wordpress.com/

Thank you,
For A Better BUTL !

We will call for JMB meeting

2008-04-16T20:14:00.005+08:00

Yes, arrangements have been made, we will get the green light soon. A letter will be submitted for the Authority to take action. More on this soon...

Continue...
Yes, the letter has been sent to MPN & CC to the respective people who should get their hands dirty. For a copy of what was given to MPN, you can download the followings
Letter of Complaint to MPN
Attachment of Previous Aduans

This is also the time for ALL PURCHASERS to give DATARAN MANTIN a taste of their own medicine. Please, ALL PURCHASERS to fill up your name and parcel no. & fax it to DATARAN MANTIN and PricewaterhouseCoopers to demand an explanation to the farce that occurred on the 3rd, 4th, 7th, 8th, 9th & 10th April 2008.
Letter of Demand to Dataran Mantin
Letter of Demand to PricewaterhouseCoopers Malaysia

The new dawn is upon us now. We will not back down from the fight. The fight is our rights, so we can't give up the fight !

Meeting With DAP / PKR

2008-04-11T18:58:00.009+08:00

BUTL Purchasers, please try to attend & voice your grievances.

1 PM, 12 April 2008

4 PM, 18 April 2008 (Next Session)

YB Yap Yew Weng, 017-677 3789

Pt 20578, Tingkat 1, Jalan TS2/1F
Taman Semarak 2, 71800 Nilai, NS.

Can 1st JMB Meeting still stand?

2008-04-10T17:07:00.007+08:00

Dataran Mantin abandoned the 4PM JMB Meeting yesterday. Then they decided not to tell anyone until alot of people who were at the hall this morning & called in. Then the receptionist would say "saya baru je dapat tahu dari management bahawa meeting hari ni sudah cancelled".

Yes, pity those coming from Terengganu, Perlis, Singapore, or even some from Sabah & Sarawak??? Yes, it should also be said that pity those who never even heard of JMB. Yet with at least 300+ today, more than 50% did not receive the JMB notice from Dataran Mantin. This is another violation that definitely merits a police report!

Another police report will be for their failed auditing of accounts within 6 months from the date of Act 663 gazettement. So what can we, the ForABetterButl team do apart from making police reports? We are going to call all BUTL purchasers for a meeting ourselves. We will organise a big get together. We will be having a close door meeting between our volunteer members, some are nominees, and we will make sure that all BUTL purchasers have a voice in how BUTL is managed!

Once the JMB is formed, we will have all the accounts and all the contacts of BUTL purchasers. But that is if JMB is formed. Since now, the Act does not state when the 2nd JMB meeting is to be held, we will exhaust all our legal means to make sure that the 2nd JMB meeting MUST BE HELD!

For all those BUTL purchasers who came for the Wednesday Meeting, or those who have reached this site, we need your support. We need your information.

Please email to forabetterbutl@gmail.com with
Subject: Register
Body of email:
Parcel No. (or Nos if you bought more than 1 unit):
Name (both names if joint owner):
Address (both addresses if joint owner):
Contact No. (both contact nos if joint owner):

Thank you,
ForABetterButl Team.

Also, special thanks for our Guest who came yesterday
YB Yap Yew Weng (ADUN, N10 Nilai) DAP
YB Chai Tong Chai (ADUN, N29 Chuah) PKR
Lavendran (Lawyer)

Wednesday Meeting

2008-04-07T17:00:00.010+08:00

With all those things going against us, we will continue the fight, we will not bulge from our stand, but we will need to follow their rules to avoid the meeting being cancelled by them at their whims & fancy.

We plead to all of you who are supposed to attend the meeting at this Wednesday afternoon but unable to attend to fill in ( *I/We ) & sign the proxy form ( Signature(s) of parcel purchaser(s) ), scan and email it to forabetterbutl@gmail.com ASAP. We need as many as we can get, at least 10.

Many many thanks in advanced. We will be your proxy & challenge them on your behalf !!!

JMB Essentials

2008-04-02T20:14:00.008+08:00

So the JMB is now on! Yes, let us show you who we are as well as our manifesto. We want a better BUTL & we want it NOW!

Our Manifesto
1. Lower the Maintenance Fee that is more reflective of the Service Level.
2. Negotiate water deal to get residential rate.
3. Promote more greenery and landscaping.
4. Take immediate action upon receiving complaint.
5. Create a web forum for all purchasers for easier interaction as well as more ideas to re-invent Bandar University Technology Lagenda.

Of course, it goes without saying, transparency & accountability in its application of good governance is a prerequisite!

Nominees
(Fri, 4th) Mr. Heng Suie Liang
(Mon, 7th) Mr. Paul Lee
(Tue, 8th) Mdm Jennifer Lee Poh Kuen
(Wed, 9th) Tn Hj Khairuddin
(Thurs, 10th) Mr. Lai Yok Kin

Behind us are advisors and volunteer fighters from Lawyers to Geneticist, Programmers to Property Agents. So yes, all segment of society are also susceptible of getting conned. But we will continue the fight. The fight is our rights, so we can't give up the fight.

More Info On JMB
Ensuring co-operation 14/04/2007 The Star
Act comes under scrutiny 30/07/2007 The Star
- Strata Act amended recently to defuse time bomb 30/07/2007 The Star
Management of high-rise apartments: Power back in hands of owners 13/08/2007 NST
Developers not going in for audited accounts 11/01/2008 The Star
Pemaju wajib tubuh JMB sebelum 11 April 19/02/2008 Utusan Malaysia

For A Better BUTL

2008-04-02T20:02:00.001+08:00

The Joint Management Body 1st Meeting is here. We have a team to serve all you 5000 strong disgrunted purchasers. Among us 5000 strong, there some who are fighters. We will not give in and we will not give up. We will re-invent

Bandar University Technology Lagenda